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By: Ahmed/2012/10/04/productivity/#comment-13287Sat, 13 Jun 2015 07:00:40 +0000/?p=2054#comment-13287Reblogged this on Software & Hardware for Geeks.

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By: andybrandt/2012/10/04/productivity/#comment-1587Tue, 09 Oct 2012 11:34:18 +0000/?p=2054#comment-1587In reply to flowchainsensei.

I didn’t promise this paper contains a usuable definition. As I said, it would be very interesting to know what he actually means by saying that hyperproductive teams have 400% better productivity. 400% – but of what?

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By: flowchainsensei/2012/10/04/productivity/#comment-1584Tue, 09 Oct 2012 06:41:23 +0000/?p=2054#comment-1584In reply to andybrandt.

Hi Andy,

Thanks for the link. Some interesting snippets in the referenced paper. Upon reading, I felt cheated because I was hoping for some “good science” and found what looks to me much more like a piece of marketing copy. I was unable to winnow out a useful definition of “productivity” from the hype-chaff.

– Bob

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By: andybrandt/2012/10/04/productivity/#comment-1581Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:02:14 +0000/?p=2054#comment-1581One more piece of feedback (sorry for spamming your comment box 🙂 ): Jeff Sutherland (one of Scrum co-creators) is known for his repeated descriptions of “hyperproductive teams”, that – thanks to Scrum of course – outperform traditional teams by 400% in terms of productivity. I think it would be very interesting to learn what measure he uses. He has just published a paper about this – while it doesn’t outright provide his definition of productivity it is, nevertheless, interesting.

http://scrum.jeffsutherland.com/2010/10/scrum-metrics-for-hyperproductive-teams.html

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By: Andy Brandt/2012/10/04/productivity/#comment-1544Fri, 05 Oct 2012 11:37:07 +0000/?p=2054#comment-1544Toyota’s advantage is that they have a tangible, physical product. So they can have all kinds of useful metrics, like for example number of products that are defective, production rate, production cost per units (divided into materials, labor and other costs) etc. It is not so simple for knowledge work. For example what we now do @CodeSprinters primarily is consulting, coaching and teaching. How to measure productivity here? I refuse to measure it solely based on revenues – that would lead us down the path to being a cheap provider of low-quality off-the-mill courses. A better measure would be how useful what we do is for our clients/students, however this is purely subjective and hard to convert into a metric.

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By: olaflewitz/2012/10/04/productivity/#comment-1542Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:05:24 +0000/?p=2054#comment-1542I’m glad you took on my suggestion to ask for feedback… I’m afraid that creates a debt of giving feedback on my part:-)
I’m glad that this feeling makes me read all your posts, and more thoroughly, so I’m willing to try. I’m in.

I love your amplification of Productivity. Goldratt, Deming, and your definition help understanding what it means—and the reference to productivity being a systemic rather than individual attribute is important.
I’d like to know more about the discernment (especially as a non-native speaker) of productivity, effectiveness, and efficacy.
I love Ohno’s suggestion of coming to work to think. Do you know if (and how) Toyota measures this “thinking”?
Thank you for an inspiring post!

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By: Trish/2012/10/04/productivity/#comment-1539Thu, 04 Oct 2012 23:20:58 +0000/?p=2054#comment-1539Yes good starter for a useful discussion on a difficult concept to pin down – it seems to depend so much on various perspectives. In the tertiary education world one “measure” of productivity that’s often promoted and yet is controversial is the teacher:student ratio.

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By: Dave Nicolette/2012/10/04/productivity/#comment-1531Thu, 04 Oct 2012 15:13:29 +0000/?p=2054#comment-1531Very nice write-up. The “differing” definitions you found on the Web strike me as very similar; possibly re-phrasings of the same definition. That definition is the one that focuses on quantity of output with no reference to goals, value, or the market’s capacity to consume the product. It’s the general sense of the word that I usually assume when the subject is discussed.

I like the other points you raise. Although, as Andy mentions, an organization’s goal may be a moving target, at any given time I think it’s advisable to have an idea of what you’re aiming at before charging off to increase “productivity.”

The tie-in with ToC is interesting as well, in that a single-minded focus on raising a team’s productivity can easily result in a local optimum that generates excessive inventory. To desire productivity (in that sense of the word) for its own sake is a machine’s value, not a human value (a rant I’ve expressed elsewhere http://wp.me/p1CUP0-2V).

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By: Andy Brandt/2012/10/04/productivity/#comment-1526Thu, 04 Oct 2012 07:45:45 +0000/?p=2054#comment-1526Looks like a seed for a great discussion. Couple of quick thoughts as my feedback:

– The idea of “productivity” is closely related to the desire to measure, and in our current culture measuring immediatelly implies some form of numerical, objective metric. This is great if your “goal” is churning out gummy bears – you can then measure a number of things, and those metrics will be meaningful for your context. However, with knowledge work it gets more complex. Of course, in a business, the final measure is money – but usually it doesn’t translate well down to parts of a complex product. In other words: while it is easy to assess the overall economic health of a company, it is hard to attach valid economic value expressed in monetary terms to contribution of each knowledge worker, especially over short periods of time. That makes money useless as a productivity measure on a team level when working on a larger/more complex product.

– your definition’s weak point is that a company’s goal may be changing – a moving target (see also http://bit.ly/ACVZSG ). So while in pricinple you are right I’m not sure how we could use “getting closer to the goal” as a measure of productivity.

– how about productivity for organizations dealing purely with knowledge – like consulting/training companies or universities. I’m curious what you would use as a “unit (measurable step)” there?

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